Bodymorph and Extras? Options

[phoenix]

Hmm.. I can't see using 2 BMs simultaneously.. once you turn your body into iron, it's no longer flesh, right? So once you activate a second BM and turn your body into air, it's no longer iron and no longer has the properties thereof.

[Bahamut810]

What I was talking about was the same element though. What about hte same element?

[phoenix]

I wouldn't think so.

[Bahamut810]

So linking 2 BM's of the same element is right out then?

[Alex Green]

Part of me says that you probably can't have 2 BM's of the same element, any more than you can have 5 dots of Armor and 5 dots of Armor+Imp. There is a 5 dot max and we are stuck with it.

However, you could do something real similar (although you still couldn't link them).

BM: Fire (Density Decrease x 3; Flight, Hyperflight)
BM: Fire (Storm x 3; Flight, FF).

You could probably do something like that and then switch back and forth at will, but you couldn't link them.

Having said that, you would be better off just buying BM once and then buying associated power (Elemental Anima: Fire to give you the storm). The system is set up to opperate this way.

[Blade90]

Heres a question though. Most bodymorph powers require at least 1 point in density control, either increase or decrease of course depending on what your morphing into. But can you for example get the density control power first, and then later get a bodymorph power and not be required to put any points of density control in it? I would of course understand that you would have to activate your density control power before you could activate bodymorph, and in turn meaning you would essentually have to pay 4 quantum points to activate bodymorph when you would only have to pay 2 if you just got the bodymorph with one or more points of density control in it. But on the other hand that could open up more points in your bodymorph power to use for other things, and it can work well with a characters story. Say originally they only knew how to increase or decrease thier density, but eventually they learn to 'take it a step further' and transform into some sort of solid, gas, liquid, or whatever else.

[Alex Green]

I think we are deep into "talk to the ST" territory here. If it were me... it would largely be player specific.

One solution would be (as you said) linkages, where the BM doesn't turn on unless the DC already is.
Another solution would be for the ST to say "no", a dot of BM Density Controll isn't *really* a dot of DC, it's only simulating it so you aren't freed from buying it.

And... WELCOME TO THE FORUM BLADE90!!!

[metaphysician]

Woohoo, fresh meat! Hope you stick around, this place needs more visitors.

[Blade90]

I kinda figured that might be the case, but still figured I would make sure here. And thanks, I should be sticking around. You might be seeing (reading? whatever) a bit of me as well Alex, considering I might be joining the Prometheans Unbound game your in. Cottus Centimane is my bro, and he introduced me to this place.

[the Darkness]

High there, long time lurker, first time poster here.

regarding wanting to have more than 5 dots worth of bodymorph, i suggest using not linked powers, but rather dependant ones.

in the example of johnny storm, maybe buy the density decrease, immolate and flight with BM dots, then buy hypermove (flight) and quantum bolt each separately with a 2 point dependancy to BM.

[Alex Green]

Wecome to the forum the Darkness!!!

Dependancy with Q-Bolt works pretty well. I'm less sure about H-move. In theory it works but H-move (Flight) is already dependant on flight just because of the way the powers work. H-move (Running or swimming) works though.

[the Darkness]

Wecome to the forum the Darkness!!!

thanks for the welcome.

regarding hypermove or whatever other power being already dependant on flight, thats not really my point.

I was just giving an example to the question of how to get more powers included in bodymorph. ie: put the powers you plan to use most often in bodymorph itself.

abilities that you would use less often, but still have no access to outside of bodymorph could be purchased as dependant upon bodymorph.

(minmaxers note: purchase stuff that requires dice rolls as bodymorph )

[SkyLion]

Thats *IF* your ST will let you use weaknesses like Dependant (*cough* Potts... )

(Seriously Potts! Sometimes certain powers need such limitations for theme...dangit!)

[the Darkness]

well... even if you have such a storyteller, you can still buy the powers and use them as though they had that weakness. nothing stops you

[SkyLion]

well... even if you have such a storyteller, you can still buy the powers and use them as though they had that weakness. nothing stops you

True...but when you limit something in such a way its versatility narrows when compared to someone without such limitations. Especially for Bodymorph...If you can only fly with your bodymorph on and someone disrupts your bodymoreph, you're F^%&*#! The idea of the stength and weakness system is so that you can get a little compensation for taking minor flaws. Actually this is a particularly sore point for me. I love linking powers together to create unique and interesting combinations. It was one of my favorite things about the HERO system that I do wish dear old ProffPotts would come 'round to for Abby....